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07/01/2005: "Iraqi Bait"

Mr. Baldwin,
Can you explain to me why Hal Lindsey who claims to be a prophetic scholar is supporting Bush's lies on iraq? I am disappointed.
I read this article on WND, by Hal Lindsey,'Iraq not part of war on terror'?
Exclusive: Hal Lindsey pounds Pelosi for delusional comments on Iraq war
--WND (http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45061)
I do believe now that Hal Lindsey is a false prophet as was warned in the bible. He is pandering to the Bush Admin. and lacks discernment. I would like to remind Hal Lindsey that the original text of Bush was to throw Saddam out and bring democracy and freedom to iraq. The rhetoric or lies of Bush is constantly changing and now Iraq had connections to 9/11. I do believe the insurgencies are coming from Bush Admin. to keep our boys and girls busy and linger the war for another 12 years so they can wipe out the early iraqi civilization and keep the oil fields guarded.
Elizabeth
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Elizabeth,

My belief is that anyone who claims to be a prophet likely isn't. Real prophets have that title thrust on them after they are dead. Since the Bush Administration's bizarre popularity with born-agains, I've seen people coming out of the woodwork claiming to be Christians and Fundamentalists--it's en vogue. If you want to believe someone is for real, seek out an agnostic or a liberal for an argument.

This Hal Linden looks especially hypocritical . He just plain looks swarmy. (see photo)Lindsey (3k image)

Lindsey

But let's get to his commentary:

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Now it has a representative government, an independent judiciary and is no longer a threat to anybody except terrorists. Which brings us to part two of Rep. Pelosi's second complaint. Now it is a "magnet for terrorism because the president invaded Iraq ..."

Evidently, Rep. Pelosi thinks that is a bad thing for America. Where would she prefer to locate the "terrorist magnet"? New York? Washington? Los Angeles? I thought that was the strategy – fight them in the Middle East instead of fighting them in the Midwest? Maybe I am missing something about the nuances of politics.
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This is not why we went to war in Iraq. Never have I heard an Administration official say that we are in Iraq to attract the terrorists there so they are not fighting us here. That is using the innocent citizens of Iraq as bait. Where is the Christianity in that I ask? If it is our fight, why bring other innocents into it? That is just plain evil. Yes they were living under a horrible dictator. We went to war solely, we were told by Bush, to disarm Saddam Hussein. Well, Hussein had no weapons yet we are still there evidently to lure the terrorists there so they can blow up our brothers and sisters and sons and daughters, American and Iraqi.

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Maybe I am missing something. If al-Qaida has concentrated its forces in Iraq, doesn't that limit its ability to concentrate its forces elsewhere? Like Philadelphia? And if al-Qaida is bound and determined to bring war to Americans, isn't it a good idea for them to run into the U.S. Marines instead of a civilian office building?

What has she been smoking?
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And this is exactly what the 'prophet' Hal Lindsey is defending. Al-Qaeda has been shown to not have had many operatives in Iraq before 9/11. In fact the Al-Qaeda leadership had been at in complete disagreement with Saddam Hussein. How could they support him after all? He was a hedonist surrounded by whores and booze and tortured people for fun. We may not have very much in common with fundamentalist Muslims, but we know that sort of behavior is strictly in conflict with the Koran.

I do not believe anything coming from the current Administration's government, from Defense, to the FDA, to the EPA. They are spewing nothing but lies with their facts manipulated to support the Administration's agenda. The whole Terry Schiavo issue is a prime example of how corrupt our governing process has become in such a short time. And now with two journalists being threatened jail time if they do not give up their sources, our last avenue of checks and balances is coming to an end, with the great Time, Inc. corporation dropping the blade of the guillotine.

Too upset to go on,

Chuck Baldwin
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Mr. Baldwin,

After much thought, I do believe that Pelosi was saying that inspite of having a new government body in iraq, the country after the invasion has become - a magent for terrorism.
If Hal Lindsey is saying that the war was not against iraq but the 9-11 terrorists in iraq, I would like to remind Hal Lindsey that Bush then should have attacked Saudi Arabia, since most of the terrorists of 9-11 were from S.Arabia and not from iraq.
Even a four year would conclude that the insurgents are placed by America to fight a war with our troops since iraqis are under training, right? I realize there was a resistance from the Sunnis earlier on, after all they feared that U.S. was going to steal their oil (and they did according to the Brit official, Galloway) and invade. Justified.
I do agree with Nancy Pelosi's argument. She was also reacting to Rumsfeld's analysis of the war to continue for another 12 years. Remember, iraqi government is a puppet one - totally controlled by Bush & Co.

Elizabeth
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Elizabeth,

While I certainly agree that we are fighting the wrong war and on the wrong front, I do not think that the insurgents are planted by the US to extend the war indefinitely. Our simple act of being there and fighting a jihad with the Muslims is creating the insurgents and future generations of terrorists. There is no need to artificially create them, despite our country's previous history of training bin Laden and his cohorts.

This is the number one reason I have been against the invasion from before it started -- us attacking them creates the very hostility we are allegedly trying to put down. Bush, Rumseld and Cheney have accelerated and fueled a very vicious cycle of violence. Unless we plan to stay in a constant state of war indefinitely, which might very well be their plan, we have exposed ouselves to the sort of ongoing terrorist attacks that have plagued Europe and the much of the rest of the world for years. We had long escaped such activity until 9/11. And rather than negotiating with and pacifying our attackers, we attacked out of revenge and stoked the flames of discontent for millenia.

And as far as the "magnet for terrorism" goes, we are fooling ourselve to think we are rounding them all up in Iraq and "hunting them down". The plans for 9/11 went on for years before the event occurred. The people we should fear are hiding and waiting and gathering their strength. We won't feel their bite for a long time, but when we do it will likely be mighty. What we are doing in Iraq has almost no effect on the war against terrorism. Iraq is insignificant, except in its slaughter of man and waste of billions of dollars that could be spent helping mankind.

Chuck Baldwin
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Mr. Baldwin,
Thanks for the email. Anything is possible with Bush since he has lied several times. My mother had always warned the family, that never to argue with liars, and that we would be defeated. You are entitled to your opinion, but I believe that Bush & Company planted those insurgents. May God reveal this to you and the others. Remember, there are good guys and bad guys in every country. If Bin Laden was the prime suspect initially, where is he now? Under the protection of Saudi royals?

Elizabeth

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